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In Modern Blackjack, it mentions in the basic strategy section that there are a few strategy changes in double deck that are not in six deck. 9 v 2 double down b. 11 v A double down. Double Deck Blackjack Rules. With double deck blackjack, two decks are in play. One interesting rule change is that dealers stand on soft 17s. In standard blackjack, dealer hitting is required there, and dealers have a chance to catch low cards like 2, 3, or 4, to make a strong hand.

In a single deck game, you start your count at 0. In a double deck game, you start your count at -4. In a six-deck shoe game, you start your count at -20, and in an eight-deck shoe game, you start at -28. When the count is at 0 or negative, you make your minimum bet.
If you want the indices for single- and double-deck games, see Table 10.1 in Blackjack Attack: Playing the Pros’ Way but note that the true count estimation was to the nearest quarter-deck for single-deck games and half-deck for double-deck games.
The most common multi-deck blackjack I’ve seen is six-deck, but the same strategies apply for 4-8 decks. You’ll see that the charts are extremely similar to those for single deck. Again, the first set is for tables where the dealer is required to stand on a soft 17 and the second set is for tables where the dealer is expected to hit on a.

I'm currently in the process of switching to the HiLo system and I mostly play Double Deck, H17, DA2, DAS upto 4 hands, No Surrender. Ideally I would like to know the index plays for -6 to +6 for this game. I18 for this game would be fine as well. Could someone please provide this information for me please? Is there a computer program that lists the index plays for number of decks and rules and counting system used? Thank you for your help.

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RS

You're switching to HiLo? What were you using before?
CVCX and CVBJ have index numbers. Or look online.

theOmega623

Hi-Lo 2D H17 DAS NS Basic Strategy Deviations:
Take Insurance at +3
8 dbls against 4 (+5)
8 dbls against 5 (+3)
8 dbls against 6 (+1)
9 dbls against 2 (+1)
9 hits against 3 (-1)
9 hits against 4 (-3)
9 hits against 5 (-5)
9 dbls against 7 (+3)
10 hits against 8 (-5)
10 hits against 9 (-2)
10 dbls against 10 (+4)
10 dbls against Ace (+3)
11 hits against 9 (-5)
11 hits against 10 (-5)
11 dbls against Ace (0)
12 stands against 2 (+3)
12 stands against 3 (+1)
12 hits against 4 (0)
12 hits against 5 (-2)
12 hits against 6 (-4)
13 hits against 2 (-1)
13 hits against 3 (-3)
13 hits against 4 (-5)
13 hits against 5 (-5)
14 hits against 2 (-4)
15 stands against 10 (+4)
15 stands against Ace (+5)
16 stands against 9 (+5)
16 stands against 10 (0)
16 stands against Ace (+3)
There are more if you want the deviations for splits & soft hands (most players don't). Would you like me to provide them?

Numpkin

9 dbls against 2 (+1)

iirc it's standard BS to double 9 against 2 in a DD game

AcesAndEights

I don't use HiLo so I'm not 100% certain on this. But I don't believe HiLo indexes change with the number of decks. The index number is the true count, which is the running count divided by the number of decks remaining.

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1BB

You're switching to HiLo? What were you using before?
CVCX and CVBJ have index numbers. Or look online.

I'd like to know as well. Although it wasn't asked, I think I'd be remiss not to point out that Hi-Lo is not the best count for double deck. If a change is being made then perhaps this is a good time to look into something else.

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Wino

My first and only counting system that I used was the Red 7 count.

Wanda Wilcox: “I can’t stand people. I hate them.” Chinaski: “Oh, yeah?” Wanda: “You hate them?” Chinaski: “No, but I seem to feel better when they’re not around.” Barfly, starring Mickey Rourke

Wino

I ordered Play Blackjack Like the Pros by Kevin Blackwood. I'll peek at Hi Opt 1 for curiosity.

Wanda Wilcox: “I can’t stand people. I hate them.” Chinaski: “Oh, yeah?” Wanda: “You hate them?” Chinaski: “No, but I seem to feel better when they’re not around.” Barfly, starring Mickey Rourke

Wino

Thank you everyone for the info and support. This community exceeded my expectations once again.

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RS

Wino, if you're thinking about learning HiLo for double-deck play......let me recommend you go a step further and learn a slightly more difficult count but also stronger.
Lots of times, people look at different counting systems and compare EV and difficulty. Both are definitely necessary to take into consideration, but, I think people tend to overestimate the strength of EV when deciding a count.
Better yet, you should look at numbers like N0, variance/std dev, SCORE, etc.
The main problem with HiLo is that it values all 2-6's equally (and Tens and Aces equally as well). This is a bit of a problem, especially when playing single or double deck games, as 2's and 6's are not equal (they have significantly different EORs).
If the cards were evenly distributed in the shoe, then yeah, HiLo would work fine -- but remember, you gain your edge when the cards are NOT evenly distributed throughout the shoe. You gain an edge when they are distributed unequally (little cards up front, aces/faces in the back).
In my opinion, if you're ONLY going to play single/double deck, you should learn something like HiOptII w/ ASC (Ace Side Count). If you're going to play primarily pitch games and play a little shoe games (or might play shoes in the future), then learn something like the Zen count. Personally, I like Zen count -- it's strong enough for pitch games but is also easy enough for shoe games. Granted, it is more difficult than HiLo, but not significantly. If I were you, I'd learn Zen.
But really -- buy CVCX, it's like $100 max. Run a bunch of sims using different counts, different games/rules/spreads/etc. Look at numbers like EV/hour, N0, and SCORE. IMO, that's the best way to determine which counting system you should learn.

Wino

I'm currently in the process of switching to the HiLo system and I mostly play Double Deck, H17, DA2, DAS upto 4 hands, No Surrender. Ideally I would like to know the index plays for -6 to +6 for this game. I18 for this game would be fine as well. Could someone please provide this information for me please? Is there a computer program that lists the index plays for number of decks and rules and counting system used? Thank you for your help.

Wanda Wilcox: “I can’t stand people. I hate them.” Chinaski: “Oh, yeah?” Wanda: “You hate them?” Chinaski: “No, but I seem to feel better when they’re not around.” Barfly, starring Mickey Rourke

RS

You're switching to HiLo? What were you using before?
CVCX and CVBJ have index numbers. Or look online.

theOmega623

Hi-Lo 2D H17 DAS NS Basic Strategy Deviations:
Take Insurance at +3
8 dbls against 4 (+5)
8 dbls against 5 (+3)
8 dbls against 6 (+1)
9 dbls against 2 (+1)
9 hits against 3 (-1)
9 hits against 4 (-3)
9 hits against 5 (-5)
9 dbls against 7 (+3)
10 hits against 8 (-5)
10 hits against 9 (-2)
10 dbls against 10 (+4)
10 dbls against Ace (+3)
11 hits against 9 (-5)
11 hits against 10 (-5)
11 dbls against Ace (0)
12 stands against 2 (+3)
12 stands against 3 (+1)
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